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		By: Susan		</title>
		<link>https://simplysusan.com.au/natural-consequences/#comment-548</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 03:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://simplysusan.com.au/natural-consequences/#comment-547&quot;&gt;Jen in NSW&lt;/a&gt;.

Jen,
Lovely of you to drop by! I like your Tim Tam posts  ;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://simplysusan.com.au/natural-consequences/#comment-547">Jen in NSW</a>.</p>
<p>Jen,<br />
Lovely of you to drop by! I like your Tim Tam posts  😉</p>
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		By: Jen in NSW		</title>
		<link>https://simplysusan.com.au/natural-consequences/#comment-547</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 00:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Susan, I find myself talking to my kids alot, probably like you do, about not blaming others for our actions, or trying to rescue each other.  Hmm, that doesn&#039;t sound right!  Here is how the talk goes...

To eldest son: Your brother is old enough to make his own mistakes.  If I have said he can go to the shop on his own then I consider him to be old enough and responsible enough to look out for himself.  If you are going with him and he rides ahead then you don&#039;t have to call him back to be close to you like you would have to with your younger brothers.  If he causes himself a problem by his actions I would not blame you.  He is responsible for himself.

To next son down: Listen to your brother if he calls out as he may be seeing danger that you aren&#039;t but also you don&#039;t have to obey him for petty things because you should be acting responsibly and looking out for yourself.

My main aim is to not have my soft-hearted son trying to rescue his brothers all his life and not let them make their own mistakes.  I feel it could cause him a lot of heartache and he needs to let them grow up and learn from their mistakes just as he has to from his mistakes.

He is my challenging kid as he seems to think he was born an adult.  A common conversation goes something like this... How much older than you am I?  Then do you think in those ... years I may have learnt more than you know right now?  Good, then listen to me.

Sorry, this was a TimTam reply.

Best wishes
Jen in NSW]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan, I find myself talking to my kids alot, probably like you do, about not blaming others for our actions, or trying to rescue each other.  Hmm, that doesn&#8217;t sound right!  Here is how the talk goes&#8230;</p>
<p>To eldest son: Your brother is old enough to make his own mistakes.  If I have said he can go to the shop on his own then I consider him to be old enough and responsible enough to look out for himself.  If you are going with him and he rides ahead then you don&#8217;t have to call him back to be close to you like you would have to with your younger brothers.  If he causes himself a problem by his actions I would not blame you.  He is responsible for himself.</p>
<p>To next son down: Listen to your brother if he calls out as he may be seeing danger that you aren&#8217;t but also you don&#8217;t have to obey him for petty things because you should be acting responsibly and looking out for yourself.</p>
<p>My main aim is to not have my soft-hearted son trying to rescue his brothers all his life and not let them make their own mistakes.  I feel it could cause him a lot of heartache and he needs to let them grow up and learn from their mistakes just as he has to from his mistakes.</p>
<p>He is my challenging kid as he seems to think he was born an adult.  A common conversation goes something like this&#8230; How much older than you am I?  Then do you think in those &#8230; years I may have learnt more than you know right now?  Good, then listen to me.</p>
<p>Sorry, this was a TimTam reply.</p>
<p>Best wishes<br />
Jen in NSW</p>
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		By: Margaret		</title>
		<link>https://simplysusan.com.au/natural-consequences/#comment-546</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 06:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OH this was a great post and great comments too.  I have sometimes felt bad that I was not a more &quot;caring nuturing mom&quot; but rather a &quot;shake it off&quot; sort of mom.  But my kids seem to be doing OK.  Yes, we are raising men and women, not little boys and girls.  They grow into adulthood so fast, there is no time to waste!

Margaret http://2kidschoolhouse.blogspot.com.&lt;a href=&quot;http://2kidschoolhouse.blogspot.com/2008/07/is-time-speeding-up.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Time keeps on slippin&#039;, slippin&#039;...&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH this was a great post and great comments too.  I have sometimes felt bad that I was not a more &#8220;caring nuturing mom&#8221; but rather a &#8220;shake it off&#8221; sort of mom.  But my kids seem to be doing OK.  Yes, we are raising men and women, not little boys and girls.  They grow into adulthood so fast, there is no time to waste!</p>
<p>Margaret <a href="http://2kidschoolhouse.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow ugc">http://2kidschoolhouse.blogspot.com</a>.<a href="http://2kidschoolhouse.blogspot.com/2008/07/is-time-speeding-up.html" rel="nofollow">Time keeps on slippin&#8217;, slippin&#8217;&#8230;</a></p>
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		By: HomeGrownKids		</title>
		<link>https://simplysusan.com.au/natural-consequences/#comment-542</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh yes Sombra, you have pinpointed and enunciated the sort of thing I was referring to. And I had to laugh when I read that you too, wait and expect doors to be opened fo ryou. I do that not because *I* NEED it but because my children need to learn it. In like manner, I do that to older people, becuase it is right and fitting.

I read a book to my son once and in it, the author wrote that it is fitting for a boy to not be seated at the table until all the females are. well, without any to-do my son has picked up this habit. He waits patiently for me, pulls my chair out, then when I am seated he sits himself down. Oh my, what a gentleman!!!! &#039;Course in the next breathe he will respond with a &quot;But that&#039;s what my wife will do when I get one!&quot; (said very cheekily with a wink) when I tell him to do his laundry ;) I know he&#039;s kidding but nevertheless my husband is keeping an eye on it. :)

We really do our children a disservice when we don&#039;t train them toward adulthood.

Blessings,
Susan &lt;&gt;&lt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes Sombra, you have pinpointed and enunciated the sort of thing I was referring to. And I had to laugh when I read that you too, wait and expect doors to be opened fo ryou. I do that not because *I* NEED it but because my children need to learn it. In like manner, I do that to older people, becuase it is right and fitting.</p>
<p>I read a book to my son once and in it, the author wrote that it is fitting for a boy to not be seated at the table until all the females are. well, without any to-do my son has picked up this habit. He waits patiently for me, pulls my chair out, then when I am seated he sits himself down. Oh my, what a gentleman!!!! &#8216;Course in the next breathe he will respond with a &#8220;But that&#8217;s what my wife will do when I get one!&#8221; (said very cheekily with a wink) when I tell him to do his laundry 😉 I know he&#8217;s kidding but nevertheless my husband is keeping an eye on it. 🙂</p>
<p>We really do our children a disservice when we don&#8217;t train them toward adulthood.</p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
Susan <><
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		By: Sombra		</title>
		<link>https://simplysusan.com.au/natural-consequences/#comment-541</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Susan, your children would have no problems fitting in at my house.. I don&#039;t scoop up a child who&#039;s tumbled, but I&#039;ll jump for &quot;that scream&quot;. I stand at closed doors and wait expectantly for someone else to open it for me. I don&#039;t serve every single meal - I don&#039;t cook every single meal.. and yes, I&#039;ve been served a good healthy breakfast in bed fairly frequently in past pregnancies - WHY?  Because I&#039;m not raising children, I&#039;m raising Adults.

I don&#039;t want my children to grow in age, and not in responsibility and experience. I want my children to have to face things that will challenge their skill level here in my home, so that when they&#039;re released onto their own.. the challenge of life isn&#039;t overwhelming... it&#039;s just life.

I have a friend whom I love dearly - who never says no to her children. She&#039;s constantly getting up to serve them, to tend to an invisible injury, to appease a child who won&#039;t sit still. She hasn&#039;t a sat through church in years - because she allows her children to keep her hopping at church.. as they do at home. I love her.. but her children drive me batty. They tattle tale on my kids incessantly with little things like, my 2yo bumped her and caused her to spill her water - SO!  Go clean it up!
They were all here last week, and drove my kids crazy because they have no concept of what proper respectful play is like. They wouldn&#039;t take no for an answer when they wanted more juice.. or dessert after dinner.. I mean, why should they accept a no from me.. when they&#039;ve never heard the word from their mother!

Don&#039;t get me wrong, these kids aren&#039;t wild and rude.. they just have a mother who dotes on them - and so their boundaries are completely different from mine and as such, expect the world served on a platter... that is.. now that they&#039;ve said their blessing before the meal.  And in their family, dad is the &quot;no&quot; guy, but he doesn&#039;t mind if mama says &quot;yes&quot;.

Sombra http://www.homeschoolblogger.com/morelittlewilsons.&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.homeschoolblogger.com/MoreLittleWilsons/559052/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Barn Swallows II&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan, your children would have no problems fitting in at my house.. I don&#8217;t scoop up a child who&#8217;s tumbled, but I&#8217;ll jump for &#8220;that scream&#8221;. I stand at closed doors and wait expectantly for someone else to open it for me. I don&#8217;t serve every single meal &#8211; I don&#8217;t cook every single meal.. and yes, I&#8217;ve been served a good healthy breakfast in bed fairly frequently in past pregnancies &#8211; WHY?  Because I&#8217;m not raising children, I&#8217;m raising Adults.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want my children to grow in age, and not in responsibility and experience. I want my children to have to face things that will challenge their skill level here in my home, so that when they&#8217;re released onto their own.. the challenge of life isn&#8217;t overwhelming&#8230; it&#8217;s just life.</p>
<p>I have a friend whom I love dearly &#8211; who never says no to her children. She&#8217;s constantly getting up to serve them, to tend to an invisible injury, to appease a child who won&#8217;t sit still. She hasn&#8217;t a sat through church in years &#8211; because she allows her children to keep her hopping at church.. as they do at home. I love her.. but her children drive me batty. They tattle tale on my kids incessantly with little things like, my 2yo bumped her and caused her to spill her water &#8211; SO!  Go clean it up!<br />
They were all here last week, and drove my kids crazy because they have no concept of what proper respectful play is like. They wouldn&#8217;t take no for an answer when they wanted more juice.. or dessert after dinner.. I mean, why should they accept a no from me.. when they&#8217;ve never heard the word from their mother!</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, these kids aren&#8217;t wild and rude.. they just have a mother who dotes on them &#8211; and so their boundaries are completely different from mine and as such, expect the world served on a platter&#8230; that is.. now that they&#8217;ve said their blessing before the meal.  And in their family, dad is the &#8220;no&#8221; guy, but he doesn&#8217;t mind if mama says &#8220;yes&#8221;.</p>
<p>Sombra <a href="http://www.homeschoolblogger.com/morelittlewilsons" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.homeschoolblogger.com/morelittlewilsons</a>.<a href="http://www.homeschoolblogger.com/MoreLittleWilsons/559052/" rel="nofollow">Barn Swallows II</a></p>
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		By: HomeGrownKids		</title>
		<link>https://simplysusan.com.au/natural-consequences/#comment-545</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh Jacqui,
I&#039;m a blundering idiot at times!!!! My comment above started with &quot;Hey, offence taken&quot; when it was &lt;i&gt;meant&lt;/i&gt; to be,

&lt;center&gt;&quot;Hey, &lt;b&gt;no&lt;/b&gt; offence taken&quot;&lt;/center&gt;

Eek, what a difference one lil word can make. :)

Cheers,
Susan &lt;&gt;&lt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Jacqui,<br />
I&#8217;m a blundering idiot at times!!!! My comment above started with &#8220;Hey, offence taken&#8221; when it was <i>meant</i> to be,</p>
<p><center>&#8220;Hey, <b>no</b> offence taken&#8221;</center></p>
<p>Eek, what a difference one lil word can make. 🙂</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Susan <><
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		By: HomeGrownKids		</title>
		<link>https://simplysusan.com.au/natural-consequences/#comment-540</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Jacqui,
Hey, offence taken even if you were disagreeing with my parenting style! I think I totally get what you&#039;re saying too.

I think there is balance- it is parenting with grace. I&#039;m sure that most parents truly love their children but as you pointed out not everyone has been parented properly themselves so they may not have had the best example.

However, I think that the believer has THE BEST EXAMPLE of parenting, because we&#039;re being parented by THE Father!!! He disciplines us yet shows grace. He *is* grace eh!!! So, I try to parent as God parents me. Naturally I fall short but He is The Ultimate parent. So will we ever have perfect balance? Nope! Probably not eh? But God&#039;s grace will cover that if we keep a humble heart before Him.

IKWYM about the different parenting philosophies. It&#039;s enough to drive a person mad! However, I&#039;ve found that each &#039;side&#039; has something of value to offer (there is some meat on the bones ;) ) but when taken or applied without grace, it becomes very unbalanced.

So no offence taken even if we don&#039;t agree. Okay?

&#039;Course I have to say that nowadays...that the Crows aren&#039;t faring so well. LOL.

Susan &#060;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jacqui,<br />
Hey, offence taken even if you were disagreeing with my parenting style! I think I totally get what you&#8217;re saying too.</p>
<p>I think there is balance- it is parenting with grace. I&#8217;m sure that most parents truly love their children but as you pointed out not everyone has been parented properly themselves so they may not have had the best example.</p>
<p>However, I think that the believer has THE BEST EXAMPLE of parenting, because we&#8217;re being parented by THE Father!!! He disciplines us yet shows grace. He *is* grace eh!!! So, I try to parent as God parents me. Naturally I fall short but He is The Ultimate parent. So will we ever have perfect balance? Nope! Probably not eh? But God&#8217;s grace will cover that if we keep a humble heart before Him.</p>
<p>IKWYM about the different parenting philosophies. It&#8217;s enough to drive a person mad! However, I&#8217;ve found that each &#8216;side&#8217; has something of value to offer (there is some meat on the bones 😉 ) but when taken or applied without grace, it becomes very unbalanced.</p>
<p>So no offence taken even if we don&#8217;t agree. Okay?</p>
<p>&#8216;Course I have to say that nowadays&#8230;that the Crows aren&#8217;t faring so well. LOL.</p>
<p>Susan &lt;</p>
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		By: jacqui		</title>
		<link>https://simplysusan.com.au/natural-consequences/#comment-539</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 10:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On re-reading that it sounds like I am judging your parenting style..........no way! I wish I was stronger in that regards myself but it is hard to shake off the style of parenting that I was &quot;taught&quot; by my own mother! I am trying to lean more on the Holy Spirit for his guidance and find a balance MYSELF.
I am not likening you to my husband&#039;s parents......they went over and beyond the &quot;don&#039;t care&quot; attitude.
Sorry if I came over as harsh but it is not easy to explain myself sometimes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On re-reading that it sounds like I am judging your parenting style&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.no way! I wish I was stronger in that regards myself but it is hard to shake off the style of parenting that I was &#8220;taught&#8221; by my own mother! I am trying to lean more on the Holy Spirit for his guidance and find a balance MYSELF.<br />
I am not likening you to my husband&#8217;s parents&#8230;&#8230;they went over and beyond the &#8220;don&#8217;t care&#8221; attitude.<br />
Sorry if I came over as harsh but it is not easy to explain myself sometimes.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 10:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I 100% agree with you about lessons being learnt best when they are part of real life experiences! although I am a sucker for those adorable curriculums that seek to help mother teach children some of life&#039;s better skills! I must admit to having a bit of a giggle about your story of the two year old boy who ran to his mother after falling over and receiving plenty of sympathy from an overprotective mother. Gee......that sounds like me LOL. And yes, I have ended up with children that cry too easily and run to mummy for comfort for the smallest issue. My husband balances the scales out though and often reminds me that I am too soft in that regard. My own mother was similar to me and I guess that we often parent in a similar fashion to how we were parented.....be it good or bad!
My own husband is tougher but I don&#039;t know if it is a good thing or not. His own parents were very hard and he has told me often that he doesn&#039;t remember ever being told that he was loved by his mum or dad. Even today his parents are very cold and unaffectionate towards him....and me and the grandchildren :-(
Maybe there is a balance that lies somewhere in between? I am reminded of the contrast in child rearing philosophies. One book states that a baby needs to be taught structure and rules from an early age and yet another declares that a baby needs to be carried, sleep in mum&#039;s bed etc etc. I just get plain confused and have decided after years of swaying between all the different methods to push those books aside and rely on the Holy Spirit for my parenting advice!
As a footnote, my son has gone to Tae Kwon Do in a dirty, creased uniform tonight after he neglected to put it in the wash after his last lesson. He didn&#039;t like it but, like you said, he might think twice about being so negligent the next time.
Now......did you grab a tim tam during this post? It&#039;s almost as long as yours but not quite as well written!! LOL
Luv Ya!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I 100% agree with you about lessons being learnt best when they are part of real life experiences! although I am a sucker for those adorable curriculums that seek to help mother teach children some of life&#8217;s better skills! I must admit to having a bit of a giggle about your story of the two year old boy who ran to his mother after falling over and receiving plenty of sympathy from an overprotective mother. Gee&#8230;&#8230;that sounds like me LOL. And yes, I have ended up with children that cry too easily and run to mummy for comfort for the smallest issue. My husband balances the scales out though and often reminds me that I am too soft in that regard. My own mother was similar to me and I guess that we often parent in a similar fashion to how we were parented&#8230;..be it good or bad!<br />
My own husband is tougher but I don&#8217;t know if it is a good thing or not. His own parents were very hard and he has told me often that he doesn&#8217;t remember ever being told that he was loved by his mum or dad. Even today his parents are very cold and unaffectionate towards him&#8230;.and me and the grandchildren 🙁<br />
Maybe there is a balance that lies somewhere in between? I am reminded of the contrast in child rearing philosophies. One book states that a baby needs to be taught structure and rules from an early age and yet another declares that a baby needs to be carried, sleep in mum&#8217;s bed etc etc. I just get plain confused and have decided after years of swaying between all the different methods to push those books aside and rely on the Holy Spirit for my parenting advice!<br />
As a footnote, my son has gone to Tae Kwon Do in a dirty, creased uniform tonight after he neglected to put it in the wash after his last lesson. He didn&#8217;t like it but, like you said, he might think twice about being so negligent the next time.<br />
Now&#8230;&#8230;did you grab a tim tam during this post? It&#8217;s almost as long as yours but not quite as well written!! LOL<br />
Luv Ya!</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll come back to this later. I&#039;m too tired to take it all in right now! Rings true to me though.......]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll come back to this later. I&#8217;m too tired to take it all in right now! Rings true to me though&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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