I didn’t write this article, but it’s too good not to share. It was written by Chris Davis, formerly from Elijah Co.
If you have been a recipient of my eNewsletter or if you have heard me speak at a conference you know that I have a concern about the shift I have seen in the reasons families choose to homeschool. I would like to take this opportunity to bring us back to what I perceive to be the reason God began this movement over 20 years ago.
Our good friend Rob Shearer once told me something which I will paraphrase as follows:
About 20 years ago, a group of parents began to feel a deep desire to have their children grow up at home rather than in an institutional setting. Thus began what is now referred to as the Homeschooling Movement. These early “homeschoolers” my friend refers to as Pioneers: parents who knew God wanted them to take total responsibility for raising (including educating) their own children. These Pioneers were determined to have their children home during the day in spite of the difficulties (and sometimes the dangers) this decision created.
During this Pioneer stage, there was another group of parents who heard about the benefits of homeschooling, but who decided to wait to see if the Pioneers would be successful before becoming homeschoolers themselves. These my friend called Settlers. Once the Settlers were convinced of the benefits of homeschooling, they joined in. However, unlike the Pioneers, many Settlers weren’t sure they would homeschool for the long term so they simply copied the public schools’ curricula and sequencing methods just in case it turned out that homeschooling didn’t work for them. And, if it didn’t, their children could be mainstreamed back into “school.”
By the late 1990’s public schools were receiving such negative publicity, and homeschooling such positive publicity, many more parents began to consider homeschooling as a viable alternative. They knew little about homeschooling except that it had to be better than the public school. These families my friend called Refugees: parents who were escaping a negative situation, but with no real understanding of what they were doing or why; nor did many of them want to know. They simply wanted their children to be educated as if the children were “in school” but without the negative context they perceived existed in the public school setting.
As I have described the three kinds of homeschoolers above, you may have noticed a very subtle, yet most important, difference between the Pioneers’ main desire (to have their children grow up at home) and the main desire of the other two groups (to provide a better education, or a less negative context for their children).
The reason I entitled this article, Homeschooling Is Not About Education is because I think we have a tendency to lose sight of or, perhaps, we have never really understood why we were led to homeschool. I draw this conclusion because what I hear as most homeschooling parents’ primary concerns are issues such as, “Will this be the best curriculum for my child?” or “How do I know I’m going to cover it all?”
Let’s take another look at this thing called “Homeschooling.” We all know one or more families whose children would greatly benefit if their children were not in a public school setting. Yet, these families don’t bring their children home. We feel truly blessed to believe in homeschooling and we don’t understand why everyone doesn’t see the obvious benefits. Why do friends and relatives keep sending their children to “school”, anyway? Why do we seem to be among so few who are willing to do this?
I would like to offer my opinion as to why we have become “homeschoolers” and so many others have not: I have a conviction that a historical time is approaching for which a certain “kind” of person will be needed in this nation; indeed, in the world. When this time will come, I don’t know, but my sense is that it will come soon. What I do believe is that God has needed a very specific context within which He can grow up this particular kind of person. And, since a lot of these “persons” are needed, God has asked a lot of us to become homeschoolers. What is this context? It is simply a place where the hearts of the fathers have been turned toward their children and the hearts of the children have been turned toward their fathers. It is a place where children are raised to become proficient at the specific giftings, talents, and callings God has placed within them since their creation.
This is the context which every homeschooling family has the opportunity to create. Yet, what disturbs me is that homes-SCHOOLING has become the primary focus of so many of these families. Homeschooling parents are prioritizing something quite different than what was in the heart of God as expressed in the hearts of those early Pioneers when they brought (or kept) their children home during the day.
For those of you who have “brought the school home,” let me suggest that you rethink what you are really doing with your children. Do you ever consider what kind of person this little boy or girl is to become by the time he or she leaves your home? Have you ever wondered if God Himself, has placed some very specific talents, giftings and callings in this youngster that He expects you to discover and promote during the child’s stay with you? Do such things determine your family’s priorities, weekly schedule or the curricula you purchase?
Or as you look toward the “finish line” of your child’s time at home, do you simply buy a graded curricula and spend your days plowing through it, because you think the highest purpose of your parenting is to see that your child receives the best education you can provide so you can one day say, “My son has a good job.”
If the answers to these questions are something like, “I don’t know”, or, “I don’t want to think about it,” then you may be a “homeschooler”, but I think you’ve missed the point.
Even Pioneers can slowly become Refugees. The very word “homeschooling” can cause us all to forget that what we are doing is not about home-SCHOOLING but about creating that context in which we assist God in raising the little ones in our homes to become His men and women who are truly prepared for what is going to happen in their own generation. To be like King David whom God did not identify as a man “with a good job;” but as a man who “served his generation well.”
Wow! Fantastic and thought provoking! Thanks for sharing this:)
I think this is one of the best articles, ever. I’m glad you reminded me of it. I’ve read it many times – it is so worth reading and rereading.
Interesting. I guess I look at that from a different angle (now my kids attend a Christian school). The school very much focuses on the gifts and talents children have. It’s not all about “getting a job” but rather on using what God has given you (or made you to be) to serve others.
Whilst I’m not teaching my kids myself at home anymore, I still am very much involved in their lives and their character development, and I guess helping them to become a certain “kind” of person?!
I loved homeschooling, but I’m also seeing the benefits of a good, christian education at school.
Fee π
It is interesting that the article still has a good, ol’ dose of humanism in it, while reminding us not to be too caught up in academics.
Huh? :-/
What is he suggesting is the primary focus rather than academics: gifts and talents. Removing one idolatrous, human focused thing (academics) and replacing it with another (developing gifts and talents), is like trying to clean your sweating face with your after-your-morning-run used sock.
Developing gifts and talents may (or may not) be a valid thing, but it is no more righteous a behaviour than developing academics (which in some cases are a gift or talent anyway??!!??!). If he had been stressing developing character, self discipline, etc, all those things that don’t come naturally and aren’t learned in any one curriculum, then it would seem a more valid point.
Sorry to slip into rant mode, but this whole idea of developing gifts and talents is NOT a biblical idea, not supported from scripture at all. In fact, we are called to die to self and this often involves laying aside those things (yes, those very God given gifts and talents!) which would bring US glory, to do something prosaic which will bring HIM glory.
Anyway, will resist the urge to write a whole post on your blog, lol!
xx
Amen Joi!!! π
Hi ladies,
Thanks for all your thoughts. I do wonder if we’re looking at the same elephant from different angles.
I sense that some read this article as being anti-school, when I don’t read it that way at all. I love the point that Fee made, and i see it expressed it this article although I don’t think Fee did…she said:
Joi, I don’t see how Mr. Davis is advocating one over the other, simply pointing out that there needs to be balance and that academics are not the sole aim of education. It certainly wasn’t the sole aim in the life of the Ancient Hebrews!
I think you raise a great point- and one that needs stressing, however I may or may not agree with you here but feel to correct me if I’m hearing you incorrectly. (You know I can have that tendency at times. It’s also ok if we disagree π ). You seem to imply that character training is superior and while I definitely see much merit in stressing this traits it still is only part of the whole. Character training alone does not breed godliness and can in itself be idolatrous, especially amongst conservative Christian parents.
While I was researching homeschooling methods I studied classical education (predominantly from sources by Dorothy Sayers and SWB) and I did not see how that approach lined up with Scripture. I do believe much of the approach and philosophy has some merit but misses out on a lot. Along similar lines the Animal Parable poem has alway struck a chord with John and I, yet similarly it is not whole in its philosophy or approach. but the balance is found in Jesus Christ and Father God…and through a relationship with Him.
Of course, dying to self is called for in the life of a Christian…and sometimes we are called to ‘die to self’ in something that may be a talent…but God knows our heart and if truly seeking after Him, He knows why he will call us to deny self in a certain area. It may also be an area where we would struggle with pride. This is all part of the journey…the journey that we must walk on this earth, which is preparation (the warm-up, so to speak) for eternity. Do we need to be careful in parenting/training our children…that we can’t force them or even really teach them to die to self. To do so will simply become another ‘rule’ instead of a virtue. I do encourage my children to pursue their interests and their passions – with the hope that they will one day be used for His glory…This goes hand in hand with teaching them that these interests and passions are given by God- for God…and through them we need to exercise character and self discipline, etc. I teach them that there is a lot of dying to self that needs to happen- and we’ll know what these things are through relationship with Christ.
I don’t believe that we need to pit academics, character training or ‘identity-pursuing passions/interests’ against one another. To do so causes an imbalance. not denying the need for dying to self (I’ve written about this before) but we need to ensure that selflessness is foundational- as opposed to self denial. Self denial is not virtuous- it’s just a work based giving up…let’s focus on a more positive action of serving others, by ‘giving to’ others.
I believe Jesus would encourage us to use our gifts and talents to their potential, in serving His kingdom and to His glory. In Him we find balance so that we don’t ‘try to die to self’ (works) and not use those things for which God ordained to be used for His purpose.
I’m reminded of Eric Liddel, who said, “I believe that God made me for a purpose, but He also made me fast. When I run, I feel His pleasure.“
I really liked this article, but maybe because I read it thru my eyes.
We started to Home School because we felt called to do it by God to train our children up in His ways and to develop within them their God given gifts and callings. We were directly called to this for a specific purpose for us and our family and it has being a challenge to explain to others why we do not focus primarily on academics with our children.
People often try to quiz our children on what they are/have learning/ed and also on making sure we are ‘keeping up’ with the school system (which we are not) I found this article was a timely needed reminder for me that OUR (my husband’s and my) calling in Home Schooling is not academics, but to raise up our kids in Gods ways.
I needed that reminder, as coming to the end of the first year of Home Schooling I was beginning to feel performance pressure to show how ‘profitable’ this first year of HS has being.
Thanks Susan!
Luv Donna
Hi Donna,
Ugh isn’t it horrid when well-meaning friends quiz the children? I’ve found that it doesn’t last forever though…maybe just a few years. After awhile it seemed as though family just accepted the fact that the children were learning and they weren’t being locked in the deep cupboard all day and night, so they could relax.
Academics are important to us…but they aren’t our main focus. God, relationships (with God and others), character, etc are primarily our focus I guess. God has given us all interests and certain bents or gifts…these aren’t natural as much as they are ‘creational’. I believe we can use these talents/ gifts/whatever-they’re-called to serve others and to build up the body of Christ.
There are much better ways to assess your year rather than focusing only on academic achievement. God will show you…as He continues to give you the desires of your heart – Him!
Bless ya
Hi Susan π
Donna + I are very similar on this – we felt the Lord calling us to disciple our kids at home and so we are homeschooling. For us it is about character development + training them in the ways of the Lord. It is ALSO about seeing them develop in their God-given areas of gifting so that they can learn to use them for the glory of the Lord and so that He may use these + other things to bring many to him π We also want to encourage them to be passionate, independent learners – but i find that i don’t have to focus on curriculm to *make* this happen. I LOVE Sally Clarkson’s books (not sure if you’ve read them?) especially Educating the Whole Hearted Child. Anyway just random thoughts from my little head as i read over your post tonight. Thanks for being a great encouragement to me π
Love Lusi x
Hi Lusi,
Thanks for stopping by! Sounds like you chose to homeschool for very similar reasons to John and I. π Can I offer to encourage you in one thing…
In my experience (and naturally, others may have different experiences) I wouldn’t see your lack of curricula focus as a barrier toward developing passionate, independent learners – in fact, quite the opposite! Curriculum certainly has its place…a valuable place, but instilling passion, most likely, isn’t top of the card here. It can build a base of knowledge, help develop self discipline in studies, create an awareness of how lessons are taught, etc but passion isn’t learned through a textbook! (Broad generalisation). Think about your own learning- how do you learn? Have you learned about homeschooling or Biblical Holydays via a textbook? maybe you have furthered your knowledge that way but what first whet your appetite for the topics? How did you then continue to learn? Did you take a test on homeschooling? Are you grading yourself? Is there proof of your learning? Are you answering exams about the Biblical Holydays? Or are you reading, questioning, seeking, writing, sharing, talking as part of the learning process?
I too, *love* Sally Clarkson! You would have loved the Big Picture Conference a few years ago when Sally and Jay wile were over here as the guest speakers. I’d be willing to let you borrow the cassette tapes if you haven’t heard them. But have you noticed how Sally Clarkson doesn’t give you lists and lists of books that she has read with her children? She doesn’t talk much about curriculum, does she? I wonder why that is. π
I think I need to spend more time looking at the finish line. I loved the article.
Quote ” Yet, what disturbs me is that homes-SCHOOLING has become the primary focus of so many of these families.”
IT disturbs me too. The ‘settlers’ just don’t seem to have the same courage that the pioneers had. My observation is that most homeSCHOOLers are doing it because others are doing it. Sorry, but that is a sad reality. They may say they are doing it for various other reasons, but when push comes to shove, they have the school system as a backup.
WRT the nurturing of talents. I agree with CD, but would go on to qualify the argument – which is what I believe, not necessarily what CD might say. Whilst the developing of character is important, it too can become an idol in itself, producing pious pains. As Christian parents it is our responsibility under God to nurture the gifts and talents He has given our dc. We must equally train their character so that they will view and use these God given gifts to His purpose and glory. They need to know how to handle these talents in a God honouring way.
Home education is about discipleship. Schooling has nothing to do with it.
But what of the dc who seemingly grow up under christian schooling and still seem to make it ok in the world, including coming to faith in Christ? Now that my ds is in university, I sometimes think, why did I bother to home educate him for all those years when he is seemingly at the same place as so many other kids from christian homes. The answer is that it is not just about the child. IT is equally about the parent. What is our purpose and what is God’s method for the implementation of His plan for parents? I believe we are only scratching the surface of God’s will for parents in our world. We are so behind in Biblical thinking, but I believe that will change as more people move in the direction that CD mentions above, meaning the ‘kind’ of person he is developing for his future plans. Whether that kind of person will continue to be made is an unknown, but I do believe home education is a grass roots, quiet revolution. JMHO ο
Hi elle,
Thanks for stopping by! Lovely to see you here. Loved your response! And I agree with you…but having read further articles and books by Chris Davis I would offer my opinion and say that he would place similar emphasis upon character training.
Yep, home-based-learning isn’t just about the children…to quote::: “Godβs initial goal for Christian homeschooling families is not the raising of godly children. Instead, Godβs wonderful, but subtly hidden agenda is that the homeschooling experience be so challenging for the parents that they feel the need and hunger for a closer walk with their heavenly Father.”
Oh, I know I’m coming back late – forgive me! But… I have to π
Susan, it may be that we are looking at the same thing from different sides – it wouldn’t be the first time, lol!
Do you remember how often you ask me what I am reacting to? Well. I’ve been pondering. I can’t get past the gifts and talents thing. Where are we told to develop our childrens gifts and talents? How does that fit with dying to self, not loving the world, not seeking our own glory, etc?
Now, before those of you who don’t know me recoil in horror at the homeschooler who does lock the children in a cupboard all day – that’s not who I am. My children are gifted little artists and musicians, and I do all I can to facilitate that by supplying opportunity, sourcing outside tuition, etc. BUT (and that is SUCH a big but!) I fail to see that it is the be all and end all of child rearing. I just don’t see it as particularly important.
When my daughter becomes a mother, she may have to lay aside everything she is gifted and talented in (o.k, possibly not with music, but think of some other talent – horse riding, or …something) to look after her babies. How is she going to cope with that if she has been trained to think all her life that her “talent” and the development of it, is somehow to God’s glory? To my thinking, it is no more to God’s glory if my daughter draws a brilliant picture than it is if the girl at Coles packs my groceries properly (unlikely as that is to happen π )
What about the boy who is brilliant at (fill in the blank) and he gets married. Just how much time is he going to have to dedicate to his (fill in the blank) and still be able to work for his family, and spend time with his children?
To me, it is a pervasive mindset at present that we “owe” it to our children (or to God) to develop all the potential they have. How can this not foster a humanistic, selfish attitude?
I’m NOT saying don’t develop gifts and talents, I’m just completely failing to see it as a biblical mandate and a thing to hold up as such a worthy goal.
Any thoughts??
xx
Hi dear Joi,
Thanks for popping back in…such rich conversation is always stimulating and productive. Aha! I love that you’ve identified what you ‘can’t get past‘ as you put it.I too, have been thinking exactly how or what we seem to be disagreeing on and was considering the possibility that it was an issue of terminology- thinking different things of the term ‘gifts and talents‘.
And for those readers who are not fortunate enough to know Joi in real life, let me assure you – she doesn’t not lock the children in a cupboard all day. π Her children are beautiful, well rounded, polite and intelligent girls.
I agree that our children may have to deny self when they get older…in fact, I’m sure of it- at least if they are believers! However, it’s not my duty to force those happenings for they are relational- between each person and God. the moment they become a rule or enforced by another they become law.
As I read through your response, my response in return is all summed up in one phrase – heart attitude.
Heart attitude. Do you have a talent or gift or passion that God has called you to lay aside? I know I have. But I’m thankful that my parents didn’t try to play God and not allow me to develop in those areas anyway…for the dying to self is between God and myself. Our child’s heart attitude is not something we can control…but doesn’t mean we should attempt to manipulate the developing of strengths and weaknesses. (not saying you are doing this…just throwing my 2c into the ring) I did my nursing course before I married and have never worked in the nursing industry since. But I am sure glad I had that opportunity. (I know I changed that a little…but I can see that this type of thread could easily go inline with the daughters/university/career type of issue)
I hear you. As an example, I do not steer my boys toward sports…especially sports like golf or football. Hey, maybe I’m being double standards there. Why don’t I? For a start they have never shown an interest in them…but we have also talked about creating appetites – golf is an expensive sport, which can take one away from the family for many hours on the weekend, etc. Will a man be able to continue (especially is he’s not Tiger Woods) his hobby once he has a full time job and family to provide for? However, I largely see the difference being words here – hobby, strengths, weaknesses, talents, etc. Again though – heart attitude.
Humanism has many ugly forms…and is pervasive in Christianity today but again it is a heart issue, an attitude. Character training can be idolatrous but one doesn’t see too many Christian homeschooling bloggers speaking out about that. even Bibla study can be idolatrous…when it placed above the personhood of Jesus Christ. Humanism- the attitude – is all about *me*. The whole point of the article, as I read it, is about helping to develop the child to become that which God has created them for…and yes, that is to be human. Human beings, filled with different strengths, weaknesses, abilities, talents and interests show a little of the nature of God. When it comes time for your children to choose a career path, on what will you base your decision to guide them? How will you direct them? How do you choose which elective or extra curricula activities your children should take?
Now I head into the area with fear and trembling for this proverb has been discussed at great length by any a great man, woman and theologian. This verse can produce guilt or release one from guilt…it can produce hope and encouragement.
You know that which I speak of… Pr 22:6 says,
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
way= journey
child = infant-adolescent or late adolescent
What is the “way”? It could mean the way that the child ought to go according to God’s law; the proper way in light of God’s revelation. *OR* It could also mean the way best fitting the child’s own personality and particular traits.
I think the answer is: BOTH! Balance! God’s law first…then seeking God and desiring to glorify him through service using the particular traits He has given us. These strengths are not entities unto themselves – for they are given By Him and For Him. There are no doubt, times in history whereby people are not able to use their strengths or interests or personality traits…but we do not currently live in a world such as this.
Why label this point so much? Because God created us as human being, in His image. To be creative, thinking, caring, productive, physical, arty beings. I see His laughter and His joy when I look at a field of flowers- all colours, shapes and sizes all blooming at their right time. They need weeding and pruning and feeding which he provides…but God is into beauty! He’s into creative! He’s into all those things for He created them! He created us to be individuals (in a godly sense, not as the world sees it).
And this, is where I really start to get controversial…but I’ll go ahead and say it and risk losing you all as friends – I believe the Greek Classical education philosophy has done a great disservice to Christian education. Scholars can talk about God and Christian service but their initial worldview stems from a Greek worldview- which may have been slightly re-directed to look godly. Classical education is the opposite of all that which I wrote above- it is education for the masses- cookie cutter education…very different to Ancient Hebrew education.
Is anyone still here or have you all left now, afraid of the heretic? π
I can see what you are saying, and I quite agree with it too. I’m loving this thread. It’s got depth.
I think that it helps us when we look at the finish line, that we need to be looking at God’s finish line. It’s all about God, not us.
I do believe that education has become an idol. In many ( mostly all ) ways it leads us away from Christ.
Just a couple of more thoughts. π
Thank you ladies for sharing this with me. It is so good to be able to look at / discuss / think about important things like this.
Here’s a quote from Richard Baxter:
“This is the sanctification of your studies: when they are devoted to God, and when he is the end, the object, and the life of them all.”
I too understand what you are saying Joi – perhaps it is in the definition of “gifts and talents” that the difficulties arise?
Don’t you think that God makes each and every one of us unique and special? Each of us having unique “gifts and talents” (such as writing lists and being organised(!), or perhaps having secretarial skills) and God calls us to use those “gifts and talents” to serve him and bless others.
I never used to think that having secretarial skills was a “gift or talent” but in recent years God has showed me that he gave me these skills, and I have had many opportunities to use them for his glory and to bless others.
You say:-
Where are we told to develop our childrens gifts and talents? How does that fit with dying to self, not loving the world, not seeking our own glory, etc?
I guess when I talk about “gifts and talents” I’m talking about the strengths God gives each of us. I believe we need to help our children to recognise those strengths and to encourage them to use them to serve their Lord and to bless others. For me it’s not about JUST developing gifts and talents, but rather recognising that each of us have been created to be special and unique and to use what God has given us to the best of our ability FOR HIM.
Does that make sense?
I came across this quote in my bible the other day, and it made me think of this discussion. It’s entitled Job or Ministry by James A. Spurgeon:-
A job is at your choice, a Ministry is at Christ’s call.
In a job you expect to receive, in a Ministry you expect to give.
In a job you give something for a return, in a Ministry you return something already received.
A job depends on your abilities, a Ministry depends on your availability to God.
A job well done brings praise to you, a Ministry well done brings honour to God.
Food for thought. This is an interesting discussion!
Fee π
” I believe the Greek Classical education philosophy has done a great disservice to Christian education.”
Yay!! Someone said it!! Yippee!
Susan, you are my friend all over again. Heehee π
Now, the question…..WHAT constitutes an ‘Ancient Hebrew’ education? OR, what was/is God’s intention for the role of parents in the OT (which I believe hasn’t changed)? Come on, I’ve been thinking about this for several years and still trying to articulate it. I think I have the right idea, but it would be deemed so radical that I’m afraid to voice it.
Oh dear…you mean I fell out of favour to start with dear Elle? LOL
I’m writing just before I had off to bed. I awoke sick this morning with a flu/lurgy thing. It has gotten worse all day…and I have a huge weekend ahead of me. I’m coaching U/14girls softball for the first time in a few years…one would think I’m a newbie at it, judging my how nervous I am. Compounded by the fact that I am now sick and light rain/drizzle is forecast all weekend means I am not feeling 100% at teh moment.
However, I REALLY want to pursue this further Elle…please don’t think I’m ignoring you but I won’t be back here until Tuesday, at the earliest.
I would like to try and put my thoughts on paper (or blog) but fear I’d end up writing a book – much the same as Robin (HOW) has. So, I think you may have read HOWTA Elle? Maybe we could use that as a launching pad- and compare what we see as contrasting and similar points of view. What do you think?
And as for radical, now I’m really intrigued. You can feel free to post your radical thoughts here- it’s my blog and I’ll allow it lol.
“Oh dearβ¦you mean I fell out of favour to start with dear Elle? LOL”
Oh, no, never. Take it as meaning doubly my friend π
Yes, I’ve read HOWTA, and done some of Robin’s US’s. I’ll look forward to hashing out ideas with you. I’ve got a full W/E too (my dad is having a quadruple bypass – see SL forum), so Tues will be fine. Rest up, dear Susan.
Still loving this thread. Times like these I hoped that I would of had better understanding and more intelligence so I could add more.
Curious about Sally Clarkson now too. π Not sure how I missed all her stuff, since I do recall hearing the name before.
Would love to hear thoughts on what constitutes a Hebrew education. π
Hi susan π
Thanks for taking the time to respond to my comment – not expected at all but lovely of you all the same. I’m afraid though (and this often happens when i comment on people’s blogs late at night – ahem early in the morning as was the case with this comment!!! lol!) that i didn’t write what i was actually meaning – I am totally with you; passion can NOT be taught and that wasn’t what I was meaning. I was meaning that we to encourage them in areas they are passionate about (although i am also in agreement about not making those areas ‘idols’ but allowing giftings to develop with the overall goal of glorifying God) – not actually trying to stylise or *make* them into becoming ‘passionate learners’. Does that make more sense? lol – not sure it does but I think my comment came across to mean that passion is something i think they need to be taught but that’s not my heart at all. I also LOVE what you wrote about ‘creating appetites’ and Joi I am with you on being called to ‘die to self’. How often I hear (as i’m sure many of you do also) ‘but you have a degree – are you ever going to use it?’ ah no unless the Lord says otherwise. I’d love to share a cuppa with you ladies one day! π
And thanks for the offer of the tapes – I borrowed the cd’s earlier this year from a mate of mine who attended the talk too.
Love Lus x