The world is made up of so many different varieties of people. Even in the world of Christendom, the number of differences is astounding.
And we all tend to think we’re right. But the trouble is that we all wear glasses. And they’re all different shades. We have all lived different lives, had different upbringings, read different books, hold different beliefs, have different physical bents, and all these things cause us to form assumptions about the world, about others, and about God. Β And the difficulty is that these things affect the way in which we approach the Bible.Β Now we’d all like to think that despite these glasses, we can come together and read and interpret the Scriptures and hear the same thing. Sounds great. But does it work that way? It can but more often than not, it doesn’t.
There are two different trains of thought in Christianity
Actually there are more but these are two foundational biggies
1. There are those who believe that human beings repent and believe because God causes them to do so by choosing them to be saved.
2. And there are others who believe that the ultimate reason people believe is our free will.
This fundamental and basic belief about God and our belief will affect the way we go about our daily business. Sounds simplistic but it is true. If you are of the latter view then it is quite likely that you and I will disagree on many other points in life. And vice versa.
Many people simply cannot get over this fact- that there are differing beliefs. In fact it prevents them from discussing theology with anyone who shares a different view or it causes them to shout instead of talk, yell instead of listening. But I actually like discussing issues with those who share a different view, so long as the discussion is respectful and polite. If I wanted to read and learn without too much questioning or hearing other points of view then I’d read a book. But to participate in discussions and online forums means that there will be disagreements and they will be verbalised.
After a few years of inserting my foot in my mouth I am seeing how much I cut conversations off or I diss people, although that is not my intent.
I have changed and am continuing to change though. I used to be a lot more rigid. Some might say intolerant and un-accepting. But I’ve realised that just as much as my mind is not going to be changed by an online discussion, my argument is not likely to make someone else change their mind either. Discussions provide fodder and there’s always the possibility that a seed will germinate (Grammarians may feel free to ignore that yucky sentence) but minds are rarely changed in that environment. In fact, some people may even go into battle- losing sight of the discussion but focusing upon having the last word or ‘winning’. Time has a wonderful way of revealing things to us. It is a rare discussion that does not benefit from the value of time. It’s okay to take a breathe.
I’m not becoming liberal, post modern or emergent… just listening more. I want to understand others and their viewpoints. I accept that we don’t all look at the elephant in the room from the same angle. It’s okay Susan… stop. Breathe in. Breathe out. It’s not my job to convince Christian evolutionists that they are wrong. I can now sleep well at night- despite the fact that others are wrong. (Feeble attempt at humour)
Here’s my new list of ideals… for myself
I will:
- not use words like ‘basic’, ‘simple’, ‘plain’ and ‘easy’ when referring to an ancient book, which has been written in a completely different time, language and culture.
- remember that it’s okay to admit that I don’t know. I don’t have all the answers. I don’t have all my ducks in a row
I will not:
- use the Bible as a sword or a weapon. The Bible is likened to a sword but I don’t have to pick it up and stab you with it.
- question your commitment to God just because you have a different belief to me
- use God’s word as a discussion ender, rather as a conversation continue-er
Lord, please give me your grace. For I need it so.
There is a reason I got out of forums & stuck to blogging! lol Having ventured out again recently I think myself a fool. I should have learnt the first time round. *sigh* I’m afraid I can use academics as a lethal weapon. So silly when most people don’t cope & it kills all discussion.
Why Ganeida? Do you not like the diversity of other views? I rather think more of your type is needed on the forums. Some one has to teach these young, fresh-faced, new homeschoolers what it’s all about. π
Haha, yes, I am mellowing out too. I think its because I am actually listening to the other side now. God has used my struggles with the church over the last 2 years to teach me about loving and being unified with all types of Christians.
Marisa, any clue as to whether or not our mellowing is age related or ‘battle weary’ related? π
Oh, for me, it is definitely battle weariness, LOL. In the last year, I’ve attended a charismatic-reformed church, a family integrated church with lots of conservative homeschoolers, a punk rocker church, and now am in a home church with an array of folks from liberal/emergent to reformed. This Sunday for Easter, I’m visiting my friend’s Orthodox Presbyterian church. It has really opened my eyes to the wide range of views on non-salvation issues, and how to discourse respectfully and what true community is!
Haha, as a teenager raised in a christian homeschooling family, my husband used to be very ‘strong’ in his beliefs. And by strong I mean condesending and elitist. π Then he met me. I came from a COMPLETELY different background to my husband, I can’t think of any way we could be less similar in our upbringings, even the things we shared, like homeschooling, were different as our parents homeschooling styles were completely opposite.
There are many things that happened to bring us together and within our dating relationship, neither of us have any doubt that our meeting, dating and marrying was a ‘God thing’, because it just couldn’t have happened any other way, so many coincidences and implausabilities that actually happened. It’s quite an amazing story in full actually.
But he believes argument 1, I believe argument 2 (calvanist and arminian right?). He is a post-millenialist, I’m apparently a pre-millenialist. I believe God speaks to us directly, he believes God speaks to us only through the Word. My relationship with God is very emotion and spirit based, his is very scholarly and theological. I didn’t even know what most these fancy labels meant until long after we were married! But we share core beliefs about sin and forgivness and salvation (I’m actually nowhere near as charismatic and new-age christian as the above beliefs would let on, some of my other beliefs are very old fashioned, I just happen to put a very emotional/spiritual spin on very conservative beliefs ), we believe in the law of God, we believe in the family unit and a biblical model of authority, and our day to day living out of christianity is very similar. But it makes for some interesting conversations sometimes! It has it’s advantages, our children will have to learn to research and form their own beliefs instead of just accepting ours at face value, and accepting that two people can see the bible differently and still both be christians (though, of course, there’s a limit to that, and a difference between reading the same phrase two different ways, and simply contradicting the bible completely)
I think you and my husband would actually get along pretty well lol
Hey Abba, I hope you’ve been well.
Wow, now yours does sound like an interesting home! Mind you, my husband thinks life is much more interesting now that I have my own opinions and am not afraid to share them! Just think of the iron sharpening iron that will go on at your place. And I’m sure your children will be just fine.
Does your dh have a blog? Are you on facebook?
Nah he dosen’t have a blog, he has access to post on mine (which I actually posted to last week, finally lol) but he dosent π
I don’t use facebook for a number of reasons, but my husband has an account. He dosen’t post much, it’s more a nececity because if we didn’t have one, we’d never know what most of our family is doing <_< That's a whole other matter though. His name is Andrew, I'll tell him to find and add you!
I agree Susan!
I feel that if we were humble enough we can learn so much from each other:)
Btw I usually stay out of many discussions (online) during this season of my life because I just don’t have the time or head space for it. I do read and learn but don’t get too involved:)
And you Rosemary, are very wise. π
I agree with abba12, my parents were at opposite ends of the free will/predestination spectrum as well and it made little difference in their trust in God and their day to day living out of their faith, both were very humble people. My father believed his salvation was because God has chosen him even though he had done nothing to deserve it and my mother believed her salvation was because God had decided to give people a choice and she had done nothing to deserve God’s grace either. Why do people get so caught up about the difference is beyond my understanding, either way it is up to God and he knows peoples hearts anyway.
Deep breath, I am learning though to try and not to put my foot in my mouth, it is a hard battle and one I am still a long way from winning.
Hi Jenny, and thanks for commenting- even though I am ‘one of those people’ that like to learn about and discuss the differences π
And when you find the formula for not putting your foot in mouth, let me know, will ya? I desperately need a few doses. π
Many are called …………………….but few are chosen.
Ah Lina, are you saying that as your doctrinal defence… or have you simply not had enough coffee today? π
Love ya too!
I wrote a long reply and lost it π
I like to think that the mellowing with age is wisdom:-)
I hold some strong and unpopular beliefs which I am willing to discuss if asked but I learned early on in my Christian walk that a good witness in practical life and conversation is much more effective than all the heated debates in the world.
The early church was commended when it was said of them, “See how they love one another!”
So you missed out on reading the book of George 2:19?
“You shall know them by the way they hurl verses at each other to prove their own doctrines.”
And
“He who uses the most references wins!”
π
Oh I’m naughty… my humour never conveys well online. Bless you… you are so gracious. π
“.. Iβve realised and accepted that just as much as my mind is not going to be changed by an online discussion..”
You never know… (I would insert a big grin here except I can’t figure out where to find the emoticons)
Hi Lis,
Oh, I am changed heaps by online discussion. Heaps! But usually not over the course of the thread or discussion. The discussions are great for stimulating my thinking… for planting seeds of ideas which need time to sprout. But *time* is so important in nourishing the rich ideas.
And grins? The same as most other places online π
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only put together.