Oh Where, Oh Where have I been these last few weeks? I have neglected my blog. But that’s okay. I blog for myself, because I like to write: it helps me to process my thoughts. But I have been busy in the home. I’ve also been going through a difficult time and have felt very dry. You see, I have a child who is going through a time of rebellion against us and against God. Those who know me well will not be surprised to hear this…others may be. If you take a good look over my blog in recent months though, you will probably start to see it.
A few months ago, I thought of an acronym for parents of teens: POTS Parents of Teens. I lamented on how there seems to be a lack of POTS on the homeschool forums. I have spoken to a few POTS over the years and there are a few points that were common to many…points which I am now discovering for myself.
Parenting a teen…
Is many things; from exciting and adventurous to downright difficult. But it’s also a time of growing and relearning for a parent, for this parent. When I was the mother of younger children I was idealistic. I don’t think there is anything wrong with that. If we don’t have any standards or values, then we will just go the way of modern culture but it’s necessary to remember what era we live in. We are raising children who will one day be adults in this world…not the era of the 1920’s or the ’70’s but this era. I have faced with some tough decisions over the years…some ideals I have been challenged on and others I have decided to be firm in. Being challenged is not always easy but always valuable. Through it we learn perspective and discernment.
What Is Your Measuring Stick?
I’ve learned that many things I once held dear and stood firm in are not actually rooted in God’s word. Sure they *sound* biblical, pure and noble (and there is nothing wrong with that) but I was holding fast to them as I thought it was God’s word…when in actual fact it can just be popular Christian culture. As fairly conservative Christian homeschoolers, we can often compare ourselves to other Christians and if we are stricter than them, we think we’re on the right path. Often we use the modern day church as our measuring stick. Instead we need to ask ourselves, “What does God’s word say about it?” Am I sure my answer to many teen struggles is based on God’s word, the church or what is socially acceptable?
Know what you believe and why and make sure it is from God’s word, not man.
I sense that many parents with younger children don’t want to hear the reality. The reality that some children, who have been raised to know the Truth, that have been thoroughly loved and respected just resist or worse, rebel against it all. I’ve heard the gazillion reasons of why this is happening…I’ve sensed the often unsaid comments from fellow Christians. I’ve felt eyes on us: as if by observing us people could avoid this happening to them by not making the same mistakes that we made. I’ve had it said that we have been too soft, too harsh, too protective, too liberal, too…, well I’m sure you get the idea. One person says it is because of reason A and another person will say it’s because of reason B, the exact opposite. Not that I actually ask too many people why…however simply being in this position, with a rebellious child, seems to allow many people to offer their opinion. All the parents that I know of desire the very best for their children (Sure I don’t know everyone and I know that this is not always the case but…). All the parents I know want to train their children to walk in the ways of God…for not only is the way of Truth and Life but the other way is paved with hurt and despair. No one wants that for their children. How helpful is it to look back and analyse every action? Will it change things? Sometimes, children just rebel…for no logical reason. We always want to find a reason, discover why, blame someone or something. But we must not forget the teaching of free will. And, the important thing as parents, is what we do from here…
So I have a child who is in rebellion…who does not believe or hold dear to the values that they were taught…that says they do not believe in God. Yes, this breaks my heart, and her father’s heart. It has also been very difficult to live each day amongst the problems that arise as a result of this conflict of belief. You may well imagine the time, effort, prayer and talks that are needed. Hence part of the reason for my absence. The other part is that this is all personal and there is much I won’t share (it is our business) but even while protecting our privacy I’m not sure the Australian homeschool community is being helped by this denial of rebellion. It just pushes POTS further away.
Refinement
It’s so easy to have all the answers when our children are in grades 5 and 6 or when things are rosy…it’s when the cookie crumbles that the true test of character and faith are tested. That’s when knowledge either becomes wisdom or remains at academic knowledge. A few years ago, while my children were younger, I believed that Proverbs 22:6 was a promise. After studying the passage contextually I now know it is a principle, not a promise. I used to believe that rebellion shouldn’t happen in a Christian home school family. Well, I now know that lots of things happen in this world that shouldn’t. It is called sin. My child has a free will. God gave it to her. She’s not the only one who has exercised her free will, nor will she be the last.
Not only so, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.
Romans 5:3-5
For those that want to know what formula we’ve followed, I can honestly say there is none- unless you count “There but for the grace of God, go I” as a formula. We have trained, taught, loved, prayed, and laughed with our children. We have made mistakes. We have asked them to forgive us. We have forgiven them. We’ve lived with them and learned with them. You may wish to ask me what or how we’ve parented so that you can formulate a checklist of things not-to-do. Oh, for your children’s sake don’t do this. Applying lists and rules and guidelines in and of themselves are just that – a list. Everything we do needs to be seasoned in grace and only motivated by a deep and sincere relationship with the Lord Jesus.
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Ephesians 2: 8-10
Not Parenting from Fear
A couple of friends have asked me why I’m not beside myself with fear. I know who I was and who saved me. And He’s a big God. I was saved by grace. I couldn’t have saved myself. When (not if, but when) my child gets saved, I want it to the same, through faith by grace. God saved me and I know he has a plan and a purpose for my children and their salvation. It is not for their salvation I fear as I know that God has them in His Book of Life. However, my mother heart grieves and is deeply hurt for the hurts and scars that can occur when living a life without God. But Father God knows them and He knows their heart and the journey they must walk.
God is a God of salvation. Redemption is His business!
So that’s where I’ve been and it’s where I am. I am not perfect. I do not have a perfect family. My children are not perfect. There are sites and blogs where Christian home school parents don’t seem to have any problems. If you’re looking for that, this blog is not the place you’ll want to visit. But if you want to read the posts of a real, imperfect home school mum who loves her family greatly, despite its own shortcomings, then you might want to mosey on through the archives. I say read the archives because I am thinking of closing this blog down for awhile. I blog primarily for myself- as a way to process, clarify and articulate my thoughts. However, I’m becoming aware that not everyone understands my posts and I do not wish to cause anyone confusion. Until I am able to devote more time to learning how to articulate myself clearly I need to take a break.
Rebellious Christian kids often share many similarities. They are blocking God out of their lives, parents annoy them, and family life ticks them off. They are capable of being stubborn, obstinate, argumentative, aloof, and moody. . . And proud of it. They often seem embarrassed by your outward commitment to God and disinterested in your spiritual advice. They are no longer fans of church and Sunday School . . . Truly rebellious kids push away family affection. (pg. 3)
Dr. Tim Kimmel, director of Family Matters a non-profit ministry whose goal is to build strong families for every stage and phase of life. He is the author of many books on the family, including Why Christian Kids Rebel: Trading Heartache for Hope.
Hi Susan, I’m so glad you shared. Usually we only write or share when things are going well, when we’re “over” whatever the problem “was”. That has always bothered me. I just wanted to include a link in case anyone else is reading this, I know you’ve already read this article
http://www.familyministries.com/HS_Crisis.htm
Called “Solving the Crisis in Homeschooling” by Reb Bradley. A real eye-opener to the fact that there is no formula for raising children who won’t rebel.
Dear Susan
as a fellow POT I can understand completely how you are feeling. It can be frustrating to hear the voice of mothers with younger children who sometimes sit in judgement of other families when things go wrong. I probably sounded like that myself a few years ago!
I have no answers……..infact we are going through a similar situation with our 17 year old daughter……..she hasn’t denied God but she is rebelling in another big way that is deeply affecting us as a family.
Keep blogging……..I understand you!! You could always write in our secret “elf” language or something LOL
Oh you two ladies have blessed me and made me cry.
I know I don’t need validation or acceptance but your words just made me cry.
I too hurt, for the many Christian parents that suffer alone, too scared to speak out for fear of condemnation…when that isn’t helping anyone.
Bless you Emma and Jacqui,
Susan
Hello my friend 🙂
Thanks for writing such an open, honest and frank blog… it is what I have come to love and respect about you! It hopefully will be a blessing to the rest of the Christian community too, because it will help people realise (pre-pots) that ‘perfection in their children’ is not only unattainable, but highly unlikely!
Your rebellious child is truly a gift, cause she is the vehicle He is using to keep you close to Him and ever-dependent on Him… and yeah, He has His own purposes and plans for her life ~ but for now, you have done your bit, to the best of your ability. The rest is dd’s choice and God’s timing.
I have heard a rebellious child described as one being on a bungee rope… God lets them fall only so far, then He causes them to bounce back up! Don’t know if the theology is right but it gave one worried parent some hope 😉
And don’t think you are not writing clearly atm… that is so NOT true! You are very clear and articulate: this is a natural part of you! But maybe you just need to give your head a rest (sniff, sniff) but we understand completely…
God bless you and your hubby and children, all of them!
love
Amanda
Thanks for sharing such a honest, humble formula Susan. Its refreshing to hear– by the grace of God.
Too many times those that have not yet become parents of teens (POT) look disapproving on with POT”holier than thou” parenting attitudes. And sometimes have the nerve to interfere.
You’ve hit a hot button with me.
I don’t know why (maybe becasue we are a large family) every church we have been in people have tried to interfere with how we were raising our teens. Going behind our back making remarks to under cut our authority. Parents of a toddler told my teens we we’re unfair by homescholing and making them miss high school dances GRRRRRRR
A couple invitied my teen to live with them becasue we wouldn’t let her go to the college she chose.
Awoman actually told my daughter God told her she was to marry her son AGAINST our wishes and made plans to help her sneak phone calls!
Thats just a few on MANY of the interference problems. It’s one of the most painful things I’ve experienced in church and the reason I keep myself away from people in church now –a hughe wall is there. Its a wall of protection (thanks for reminding me I need to pray about it).
ANY success ANY of us has is by the grace of God. We can all try but we all revert to sin nature and make mistakes our children carry the results of. I certainly have God forgive me.
If we all can be open and humble without judgmental attitudes we can show real love and encourage one another.
You have a gift of encouraging others Susan. I feel the love in your posts. God bless you!
Just stopping by to wish you and your
family a Very Happy Thanksgiving Day!
Give thanks to the Lord of lords,
For His loving kindness is everlasting. Psalm 136:3
Love, Cathy
great post Susan. I hope you keep blogging too. We have two teenage sons that we haven’t really had many problems with but my gut feeling is our daughter is going to rebel big time. She already is.
This is such a well-written “process, clarification and articulation of your thoughts”.
Thank you for standing up and sharing your struggles and hurts. It is hard to do. We went through such a hard time with Amanda when she was 13 and then again when she was 15. She almost left; our lives seemed to be hanging in the balance. It is so easy to read how other homeschool families have handled things and are writing so calmly about what they/we went through, but in truth, there is a lot of crying and heartache and agony.
Praise the LORD that He allows us to see and to learn and to crawl back to Him. Thank the LORD that He is ever-present to our children, whether we realize it or not – that we *can* trust them to Him. And, for His WORD.
God bless all of you as you live in Him as POTs. It is a joy; it is a struggle; it is a journey to learn so much through.
And, Robin, I was horrified to read all you wrote. The nerve.
blessings all!
-J
I’m not where you are, but I could see it happening here.. but I wanted to encourage you with a book.. it’s a little book, which yu can get at http://www.abbaoil.com called Anointing for your Children – It’s just a little book with stories in it of children who have drastically left the side of the Lord – and about parents who have in earnest and through tears – have prayed for their children – and God wins every time.
I’m reading it now, and I’m realizing, my prayer walk over my children.. if I were in their shoes.. my children would be LOST. I need to step up my prayer walk over them.
I’m A POTs – 15, 13, 11, 3 1/2 and 2 and another on the way.
Well said, Susan – we need to tell the reality and not always the ideal. I will keep you all in prayers.
Hey gorgeous gal, great post….you know that I’m all for keeping things real….those that have their ‘rose coloured glasses’ on atm, might one day appreciate those of us who’ve gone before them and thank us for keeping it real.
Love
Lisa
deep delurker here – i have read your blog for over a year and never posted a comment once yet – sorry!
however as a ex rebellious teen / young adult from a large homeschooling family I really strongly encourage you to continue blogging – oh in your own time – but please tell us more of your struggle as you go through this – and the blessings god provides on the way. you see i have 4 daughters and my eldest is 11 and we are not far off being POTS ourselves. who knows we may have my sins repeated in this next generation though i pray not for their sakes.
i think this comment is maybe less articulate than your ordered and very clearly thought out post!
so karen – we will pray for you and your husband and daughter, and the other kids as you go through this season. remember romans 8:28-29.
Susan,
Thank you for being transparent(as usual) and upholding God’s Word vs the pop culture we all live in.
Prayers for a return of your prodigal-we all know “God’s word will not return void” but it is in the living of it that we are really, truly trusting and obeying!!
Blessings and prayers
Chris
Hi Susan,
Thank you for being so honest. I to have a child in rebellion. Its a hard road. I was so sure by the time she was ___ years old she would have returned to the Lord – but not so. Its challenging to continue on when your heart is breaking for your child. Thank you for such a clear expression of what so many go through.
Blessings, Phyllis
One other thought I’ve just had is how we are told to give thanks in all
circumstances, even if it’s something we don’t “feel” thankful for.
Amanda said your rebellious child is a gift, AMEN! But where do we ever hear
that? You are not a failure, Susan, God has the result in his hands, all
you have to do is obey, day by day and moment by moment, walking in the
Spirit. If we have “perfect” children, we cannot be proud of ourselves. If
we have rebellious children it is not necessarily because of something we
have done wrong. Trust and Obey.
Dearest Susan,
You and your family are in our prayers. I also highly recommend the article by Reb Bradley–as another mom of POTs, I am quickly learning the rules of childhood don’t work well…and am relearning parenting all over again. But by His grace, our kids hearts will be softened to Him.
Love Deanne
I get this teaching from a guy named Bill Bullock. As I read this piece last night, I thought of you and your daughter. It put a smile on my face to think that your daughter is just like Jacob/Israel. Tim wrote that he was a prodigal… I never knew the Lord in my youth, though I was not completely ignorant, I had attended church a few times with family and friends, but He was never in my heart.. My life was UGLY – and yet.. I know what God has saved me from, I know I’m safe under His Wings now..
May Adonai collect your daughter under the shelter of His Wings.. in HIS time.. so that He might accomplish all He set out to do in her life.
~~~~~~~~~~~
He ran to embrace Ya?akov/Yisrael, ?fell upon his neck?, and ? horror of horrors — kissed him.
Imagine that.
Fast Forward to the Time of Y?shua
Do these actions of Esav sound like the actions of the most famous father in the world, from Y?shua?s parable of the prodigal son, to anyone but me? Luke 15:20 says that the father of the prodigal:
?. . . saw him
and was moved with pity.
He ran and threw his arms around him
and kissed him warmly.?
This, of course, is only one half of the story of the prodigal son. The other half of the story, as you will recall, is the attitude of the ?older? brother — who bristles at the return of the prodigal and the father?s excitement at seeing him again. Esav — a worldly man outside the covenant — puts this parabolic ?older? brother — a child of the covenant — to shame .
And, I believe, Beloved, that was precisely Y?shua?s point in the parable. His opening words ?A man had two sons . . .?, spoken in the audience of Torah scholars (see Luke 15:1), would immediately have been recognized as a reference to the most famous ?man with two sons? in Torah — Yitschak. The story of the younger son (representing Ya?akov) leaving home to live in pagan surroundings [i.e., Lavan?s world], and the elder (representing Esav) staying to care for his aged and almost blind father and mother, and watch over the family estate, would immediately cause the listeners to identify with Ya?akov/Israel — the prodigal of the story.
When Y?shua described the loving reaction of the Father in the prodigal story in the exact same words as Torah described Esav?s reaction to the return of Ya?akov/Israel, He was sending a message to these Torah-teachers that rang loud and clear. When he went further, and described the elder brother of the parable story (whom they could but recognize as themselves, who had brought on this story by objecting to Y?shua?s eating with sinners and tax-collectors) unfavorably with Esav (who, to Jewish people of that day, and this, meant Rome, the hated occupying empire), he ?cut them to the quick?.
Esav/Rome, more righteous and God-like than God?s own people? Absurd! Unthinkable!
But, alas, sometimes painfully true.
Susan,
I loved your honest words with us. It is not easy to be so honest, but your confidence in Christ shines through your doubt as a parent.
We are POTS. We have 4 teens with 6 more coming up. I too thought that if we did the right things then we would not have to deal with rebellious kids. I think I heard God laugh when I said that!
What brings me comfort now is knowing that my God is so much bigger than I am. I have no idea what I’m doing with all of these kids, but he does. He knows exactly what bad & good choices my kids will make and he wants to use me in their life to bring guidance & direction. If I have sought God out with my whole heart and trusted him for wisdom & my child still rebels…it isn’t my fault. It is something my child must go through, I think to create a sense of desparation for God. We have a 14 yr old son that we see God working on in a big way. IT is so hard to watch him go through what he is struggling with, but we see God working, so we are trusting him for the end result. There are days when I have cried out to God, “Why is my son doing this?” God is so fatihful to gently show me that it is all in his plan. Nothing surprises God, my son is not doing anything that God did not already know he would do. But I want to be a part of God’s work so I have to sit back & keep quiet at times and simply pray & let me son know that there is nothing he could do to break my love for him.
I am praying for you Susan. I know this is so hard. I am praying for your daughter that she will return to her God and will become very uncomfortable in the way she is living now. God has his hand on her and on you.
Love you!
Dana
Thank-you for being so open and honest! As a Mom to three little guys, I certainly appreciate the wisdom of Mom’s who are raising (and homeschooling) older children. I wish there were more of them out there!
And I wanted to encourage you. My parents raised 5 of us. During the teen years, 3 rebelled (2 quite seriously). Today all 5 of us love and serve the Lord, and the 3 who rebelled are all in the ministry, lol. God is a wonderful God and he hears your prayers and your heart. The words of wisdom and love your children experienced in their younger years are set deep within their hearts – whether they want to think about that right now or not.
Thank-you for your post!
Hello, my name is Sonja. I am a christian wife and mother to 9 children.
I wanted to comment.
We are homeschoolers. My husband and I thought this was a great way to be sure our children don’t fall away from God. WRONG!!!!
MY own mother whom we did not have a realationship with in the past.After we started a realtionship with her. She planted seeds of very serious discontent in my oldest daughter.My daughter loved to bake, sew her own clothes,loved her siblings and enjoyed life always smiling or laughing. She had a strong realationship with the lord.My mother told my daughter how sad it is to live in a large family ,and how sad it is to be homeschooled.And behind our back she actually talked my daughter into running away 3 days after her 18th b-day.
My daughter left in the middle of the night. We had no idea where she was for weeks. My mother was hiding her with other family members.After awhile my daughter felt so ASHAMED at what she had done. She met a 29 year old man online while with them. She left there in the middle of the night.She took a bus to Kentucky. She moved in with this man. They did many drugs together. She got raped from his friend. And finally pregnant with this 29 year olds baby.She had a baby girl a few weeks ago.
She is soo lost.She wont come home.The man is a drug dealer. She has also lived with other men in the year and a half since she has ran away.
We miss her so much. I love her with every cell in my body.This is been the most difficlt thing we have ever had to deal with.We moved to Ohio to get away from my mom. We are back in Va now. But far away from her.
So you see nothing and NOBODY is safe.Please pray for my daughter as we are.So its not always strangers who try to do sneaky things.We are praying God will lead us to a good church family.But you better believe we are also working to get all of children’s hearts. We will be praying for you and your daughter.May God be with us all. Forever in Christ, Sonja
Sonja in Virginia, I am praying!!! What a sad, sad story. My heart aches for your family. Do you get to see your daughter and granddaughter? The devil is certainly prowling about, especially concentrating on people who love and serve the Lord. The devil does not want us to have godly offspring. I urge you to go through the “demolishing strongholds” material from http://www.restorationministries.org/ they have free audio, video and e-books on the website. I went through and was so surprised at what I found- demonic influences over me and our whole family. We must not be ignorant of the devil’s schemes.
Susan so many people have stopped by and given you words of encouragement. This is how God uses his people to encourage us.
I have and do raise a often rebellious teen and have prayed endlessly for her, but at the same time I once was her. I was as rebellious as her. I understand her desire for independance and for what she precieves as freedom. I articulate to her that I understand her desire to be in control. I explain to her that I want her to have control, but that it ought to be Godly self control. She is so suceptible to outside influences.
I had to finally take my hands off of the whole situation and give it to God. I tell Him always that she belongs to Him and that I know that He loves her more than I ever could. This allows me to continue to parent her from a standpoint of love seasoned with peace, rather than fear and frustration.
This time last year I was overcome with grief and anguish at the choices my daughter was making. I couldn’t take anymore and I got on my knees and told God that He must raise her because her father and I can’t save her. She is still rebellious but we are slowly trying to steer that rebellion against the things of satan rather than the things of God. It’s hard for me but nothing is too hard for God.
My daughter is 14. Thank you for your post.
As far as seeing our grandaughter. Nope. We have not been able to see her.My daughter is going to be visiting people here in Va. So we pray she will allow us a chance to see her.
This whole thing just doesnt seem real. I am only 35 years old. I pray for her soul.She nows we would always welcome her back with open arms.. Sonja
Hi Susan,
Thanks for the link to this post during one of your most recent ones. I have little ones but have come from a family who loved the Lord and yet my brother rebelled in the biggest way you could possibly ever imagine. It still brings so much heartached to my family and reminds me constantly that a parent can really only do their best and leave the rest up to the Lord. Like you said, ‘redemption is his business!’ I absolutely agree!
Although its not the same situation, some of the things that you shared about how others have ‘judged’ you resonnated with me too. We have a son with Autism. We praise God for him because he has used this to keep us close to him, depending on him to teach us how to love and communicate with this beautiful child he created. I cannot get over how many people though have suggested he is this way because of something we have or haven’t done. It was awful to hear these comments especially at first, but then we realised that all we have to do is hear from God not man! We have to love all of our kids and trust the Lord with the results. I don’t know if that makes sense, i was up breastfeeding for 2 hours in the night (lol!) so my words may not be making much sense but i wanted to thankyou for your heart-sharing with us all. You have really encouraged me.
God bless you Susan!
Love Lusi x
One of the hardest things to acknowledge is that our kids have inherited our sin nature ~ Which is what rebellion is. I was a rebellious teen. My husband was a rebellious teen. Four out of 5 of ours have been or are in rebellion. Despite that God is in the business of saving entire families. None are to be lost. One by one He is leading our lambs back into the fold & for that we are immensly grateful ~ but He is making sure we know it is Him & nothing we’ve done.
PLease keep blogging. I find you articulate, wise & honest ~ & i much prefer flawed honesty than perfect hypocrisy ~Ganeida because the blog wants to post me as someone else.
If you are not careful, being a parent of a POT can drive you Potty!!!
I remember the times when I was struggling with small children and older woman would tell me it was far easier than having teens. I smiled politely and thought they had forgotten. Well now I am there and seeing for myself how right they were! Thank you for your honesty Susan, it isn’t easy and we POTS need to support each other a bit more instead of pretending all is well.